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Free Drugs!

MASTIFFAUNTIEB — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:45:56 GMT

It is true! I took my boy to the vet yesterday because he cut his foot pad and has now licked them into infection!
Well I told her I had meds but got home and counted and I didn't have nearly enough. I called them back and made arrangements to go by there this afternoon. When I got there, I was a little dissappointed that a bottle wasn't waiting. The girl up front said "she left you a script, you can fill it anywhere".
So I went to Publix (grocer) and when I dropped it off I asked the pharmacy tech how much and she said it was one of the free antibiotics.
Sure enough, when I picked it up 30 minutes later-it was free!
yayy!

ot - pup with discharge

emarsh — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:54:21 GMT

My sister has an 11 month old lab boy - neutered. He has a lot of discharge from his penis. Cultured, lots of white blood cells, no bacteria, no it is not semen. He improved on antibiotics, but my sis was concerned about keeping him on endlessly - when he came off, discharge returned - the vet knocked him out and did a total exam - nothing. He is not uncomfortable, no peeing problems, no licking. Discharge smells slightly metalic, is white/clear and slightly creamy not terribly viscous. "Lots" means there is a very wet spot after laying down and dripping when walking - any ideas ?

Erika M.

CH Sweet Wilamina Gem of Jersey 7-20-1999 11-17-2009

acslinda — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:43:36 GMT

Wilamina was a wonderful comapnion and pet to me for so many years. I remember the first time I saw her (Maureen and I drive to New Jersey to get her) - she was such a chunky beautiful puppy. She was a Ch Greiner Hall Jedadiah daughter - and she had his wonderful, sweet temperament.

Wilamina finished her championship very easily and we had a lot of fun showing her, but her value to me was as a friend and companion. She was such a goof ball, always singing to me and making me laugh. She guarded me with fierce loyality, but she was always friendly to strangers that I let her know were OK.

Wilamina gave me some wonderful puppies (three of which share my home and my life - Goody, Angel and Rogue.) and she was a wonderful, caring mother. She also was a wonderful caring grandmother to other bitches puppies, even to a kitten and a baby squirrel.

I wish she could have lived to be 50 - I loved her every day of her life, she was so vey special. I have so many wonderful memories of her - even with a house full of her babies and grandbabies the house seems empty with out her.

Thanks to her breeder, Roberta Pavoll, fo allowing me to have this wonderful girl and share the years with me, and to Gloria Cuthbert for steering me to Roberta in the first place. It takes a village.

Uh OH Look at this board

Tracy — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:41:31 GMT

wandering around looking at message boards, came across this one. Open a few of the threads, the pups AND BREEDING BITCHES for $100.00??????????????
http://www.showdog.com/login/breeds/philboard_forum.aspx?forumid=308
Not sure where they are located at.

Pics of Callie

omahabiker — Thur, 19 Nov 2009 21:33:10 GMT

For some reason I've had trouble trying to post pics on this forum. So, here's a link to all of my pics of Callie (20 month old Mastiff) and Chase (4 year old Maltipoo). Enjoy!

http://gallery.me.com/chipmiskell

54" crate - collapsible kind

marg — Thur, 19 Nov 2009 18:37:26 GMT

Does anyone know where I can order a 54" crate that is collapsible (not the kind with the pins)? All of the 54's that I see are the ones with the pins. Also, if anyone has a 54" that they are looking to part with, please send me a PM. Thanks & happy Thursday! - Margaret W.

Getting Ready for Christmas!!!

jtorna — Thur, 19 Nov 2009 18:37:23 GMT

Here's a pic of Gracie getting ready or Christmas! It's funny how they just go with the flow....LOL They're like "whatever" LOL

Thanks for letting me share....

How to socialize any suggestion

karma — Thur, 19 Nov 2009 17:36:54 GMT

Baloo is year old now and weighs 200 pounds .In my Neighborhood all dogs are less then 30 pounds.He wants to play with each one of them But Owners are too scared to come Close to us .I think that is understandable They all Love him but keep a distance from him.
What do we do should i take him to a Dog park..He is still intact..
Moment he sees a Dog he lays down and starts wagging his tail and wants to Run and Play .
Is taking him to some Dog park a Bad idea we don't have a clue first time pet owners.
We live in Tampa Bat Area......

This is why I love Trucker..

mindee — Thur, 19 Nov 2009 15:19:02 GMT

As much as I love show brags...I have another brag...

I have been taking Trucker on little jogs ( just to keep him in shape for the show season) just 2-3 blocks. every other day.

Well, we have been encountering various dogs. Trucker doesnt pay much attention to any dog really...he doesnt look long at them just has a " oh..whatever" attitude.

But today a rhodesian looking dog ( intact male) started doing the stare down..and it was to late to avoid him. So I nudged Trucker into a driveway off the sidewalk to keep distance. As the dog came close he started snarling and barking aggressively and lunging towards Trucker. ( We were about 15 ft away)

Trucker immediately laid down ( not commanded by me) and then continued to look at this dog. The owner was telling her dog to quit ( he was wearing muzzle so obviously has an issue) The dog seemed to get more angry when Trucker laid down.

As soon as the dog walked by...Trucker got up and we continued...he never looked back and his tail was in the air as usually...darting around like a lion. ( typical happy tail for Trucker)

I never thought I could have a dog more laid back and easy going as Harley...but Trucker is way more. Harley wouldve barked back if confronted like that...I think her "momma bear" would come out.
Trucker on the other hand...acted like this dog was waste of time LOL!!

Illinois Dog Owners Getting Screwed Again-Long

JoanMammothMastiffs — Thur, 19 Nov 2009 14:23:05 GMT

PROFESSIONS AND OCCUPATIONS
(225 ILCS 605/) Animal Welfare Act.
(225 ILCS 605/1) (from Ch. 8, par. 301)
Sec. 1.
This Act shall be known and may be cited as the Animal Welfare Act.
(Source: P.A. 78 900.)

(225 ILCS 605/2) (from Ch. 8, par. 302)
Sec. 2. Definitions. As used in this Act unless the context otherwise requires:
"Adoption" means the acceptance of ownership of an animal that is in the custody of an animal shelter, animal rescue, humane society, foster home, or animal control; or, that is no longer considered saleable or being offered for sale by a pet shop or breeder.
"Department" means the Illinois Department of Agriculture.
"Director" means the Director of the Illinois Department of Agriculture.
"Pet shop operator" means any person other than an animal control facility, veterinary hospital, animal shelter, or records-only animal shelter who sells, offers to sell, exchange, or offers for adoption with or without charge or donation dogs, cats, birds, fish, reptiles, or other animals customarily obtained as pets in this State.
a)A Type I Licensee may sell, offer to sell, exchange, or offer for adoption with or without charge or donation dogs, cats, birds, fish, reptiles, or other animals customarily obtained as pets in this State.
b)A Type II Licensee may sell, offer to sell, exchange, or offer for adoption with or without charge or donation birds, fish, reptiles, or other animals customarily obtained as pets in this State.
However, a person who sells only such animals that he has produced and raised shall not be considered a pet shop operator under this Act, and a veterinary hospital or clinic operated by a veterinarian or veterinarians licensed under the Veterinary Medicine and Surgery Practice Act of 2004 shall not be considered a pet shop operator under this Act.
"Dog dealer" means any person other than an animal control facility, animal shelter, or records-only animal shelter who sells, offers to sell, exchange, or offers for adoption with or without charge or donation dogs in this State. However, a person who sells only dogs that he has produced and raised shall not be considered a dog dealer under this Act, and a veterinary hospital or clinic operated by a veterinarian or veterinarians licensed under the Veterinary Medicine and Surgery Practice Act of 2004 shall not be considered a dog dealer under this Act.
"Secretary of Agriculture" or "Secretary" means the Secretary of Agriculture of the United States Department of Agriculture( USDA).
"Person" means any person, firm, corporation, partnership, association or other legal entity, any public or private institution, the State of Illinois, or any municipal corporation or political subdivision of the State.
"Kennel operator" means any person who operates an establishment, other than an animal control facility, veterinary hospital, or animal shelter, where dogs or dogs and cats are maintained for 24 continuous hours or longer for boarding, training or similar purposes for a fee or compensation; . or who sells, offers to sell, exchange, or offers for adoption with or without charge dogs or dogs and cats which he has produced and raised. A person who owns, has possession of, or harbors 5 or less females capable of reproduction shall not be considered a kennel operator.
"Dog daycare" means any person other than an animal control facility, veterinary hospital, animal shelter, or records-only animal shelter who operates an establishment for a fee or compensation where dogs are maintained in a communal environment with dogs from other households for fewer than 24 continuous hours.
"Dog breeder" means any person other than an animal control facility, veterinary hospital, animal shelter, or records-only animal shelter who sells, offers to sell, exchange, or offers for adoption with or without charge dogs which he has produced and raised. A person who owns, has possession of, or harbors 5 or fewer females capable of reproduction shall not be considered a dog breeder unless that person is required by the USDA Animal Welfare Act to be federally licensed.
a) "Hobby breeder" means any person who has possession of, or harbors 6 or more but fewer than 26 female dogs capable of reproduction and who sells, offers to sell, exchange, or offers for adoption with or without charge dogs which he has produced and raised.
b) "Large scale breeder" means any person who has possession of, or harbors 26 or more female dogs capable of reproduction and who sells, offers to sell, exchange, or offers for adoption with or without charge dogs which he has produced and raised. Any dog breeder who sells, offers to sell, exchange, or offers for adoption with or without charge dogs which he has produced and raised to a pet shop shall be licensed as a Large Scale Breeder.

"Cattery operator" means any person other than an animal control facility, veterinary hospital, animal shelter, or records-only animal shelter who operates an establishment, other than an animal control facility or animal shelter, where cats are maintained for boarding, training or similar purposes for a fee or compensation, or sells, offers to sell, exchange, or offers for adoption with or without charges cats which he has produced and raised. A person who owns, has possession of, or harbors 5 or less females capable of reproduction shall not be considered a cattery operator.
"Animal control facility" means any facility operated by or under contract for the State, county, or any municipal corporation or political subdivision of the State for the purpose of impounding or harboring seized, stray, homeless, abandoned or unwanted dogs, cats, and other animals. "Animal control facility" also means any veterinary hospital or clinic operated by a veterinarian or veterinarians licensed under the Veterinary Medicine and Surgery Practice Act of 2004 which operates for the above mentioned purpose in addition to its customary purposes.
"Animal shelter" means a facility operated, owned, or maintained by a duly incorporated humane society, animal welfare society, or other non profit organization for the purpose of providing for and promoting the welfare, protection, and humane treatment of animals. "Animal shelter" also means any veterinary hospital or clinic operated by a veterinarian or veterinarians licensed under the Veterinary Medicine and Surgery Practice Act of 2004 which operates for the above mentioned purpose in addition to its customary purposes.
"Records-only animal shelter" means a duly incorporated humane society, animal welfare society, or other non profit organization for the purpose of providing for and promoting the welfare, protection, and humane treatment of animals whereby all animals are housed and maintained at foster homes permitted through the licensed records-only animal shelter, veterinary clinics or hospitals, or other facilities licensed under this Act.
"Foster home" means an entity that accepts the responsibility for stewardship of animals that are the obligation of an animal shelter or records-only animal shelter, or animal control facility. not to exceed 4 animals at any given time. Permits to operate as a "foster home" shall be issued through the animal shelter or records-only animal shelter, or animal control facility.
"Guard dog service" means an entity that, for a fee, furnishes or leases guard or sentry dogs for the protection of life or property. A person is not a guard dog service solely because he or she owns a dog and uses it to guard his or her home, business, or farmland.
"Guard dog" means a type of dog used primarily for the purpose of defending, patrolling, or protecting property or life at a commercial establishment other than a farm. "Guard dog" does not include stock dogs used primarily for handling and controlling livestock or farm animals, nor does it include personally owned pets that also provide security.
"Sentry dog" means a dog trained to work without supervision in a fenced facility other than a farm, and to deter or detain unauthorized persons found within the facility.
"Probationary status" means the 12 month period following a series of violations of this Act during which any further violation shall result in an automatic 12 month suspension of licensure.
(Source: P.A. 95 550, eff. 6 1 08.)

(225 ILCS 605/2.1) (from Ch. 8, par. 302.1)
Sec. 2.1. The Department may cooperate with the Secretary of Agriculture in carrying out Public Law 89 544, entitled, "An Act to authorize the Secretary of Agriculture to regulate the transportation, sale, and handling of dogs, cats, and certain other animals intended to be used for purposes of research or experimentation, and for other purposes", and the rules and regulations issued by the Secretary under that Act. The Director may promulgate regulations to facilitate the cooperation, and to avoid any unnecessary duplication or any conflict of activities by the Department and the Secretary in regulating the activities or areas covered by this Act and Public Law 89 544. The regulations may be in addition to other regulations authorized by this Act.
(Source: Laws 1967, p. 3079.)

(225 ILCS 605/2.2) (from Ch. 8, par. 302.2)
Sec. 2.2. No dog dealer, kennel operator dog breeder, pet shop, or cattery operator shall separate a puppy or kitten from its mother, for the purpose of sale,shall sell any puppy or kitten until such puppy or kitten has attained the age of 8 weeks.
All licensees under this Act shall maintain records of the origin and sale or adoption of all dogs and cats, and such records shall be made available for inspection by the Secretary or the Department upon demand. Such records must contain proof in proper form of purebreds and their pedigree, and evidence of such proof must be provided to any person acquiring a dog or cat from a licensee under this Act. In addition, guard dog services shall be required to maintain records of transfer of ownership, death, or disappearance of a guard dog or sentry dog used by that guard dog service.
(Source: P.A. 89 178, eff. 7 19 95.)

(225 ILCS 605/2.3)(New)
Sec. 2.3. Pet shop operators shall only purchase dogs or cats from dog dealers, large scale dog breeders, cattery operators, or pet shop operators licensed under this Act or U.S. Code Title 7, Chapter 54, (USDA Animal Welfare Act).

Bonnie/Porky babies

nancyw — Thur, 19 Nov 2009 06:25:20 GMT

Here are pictures of the Bonnie and Porkchop babies at 2 wks 3 days old. One girl is 3 lbs 15 oz and all the others are over 4 lbs. They are very much like their mother--VERY LOUD!! Very much like their father--VERY HOT NATURED!!! If they get the least bit uncomfortable, they will let you know!!

Nancy

TCI vs SI

Hannah — Thur, 19 Nov 2009 05:24:47 GMT

Hi all, well i have a dilemma and i need to know more!

So we decided we would do an SI with fresh semen on Mini when she comes into season next to give her the best chance of conceiving.

The vet agreed with this. But now they want to do a TCI with fresh semen instead of an SI.

Which is better, i would like to hear from breeders the pros and cons of both please

The 1900 Mastiff crisis

collie — Thur, 19 Nov 2009 01:40:38 GMT

Mastiffs have had a number of crises. Probably there was one about 1800, when Sydenham Edwards said the Mastiff was "nearly extinct where he was probably an aborigine, or is bastardized by numberless crosses,". There was one after the Second World War, when there was only one young bitch in the UK and a handful in the USA and Canada. Less well known is the crisis centred around 1900. One aspect was the virtual disappearance of the Mastiff from North America. In the USA, there were only 24 registrations from 1906 to 1918, most of them UK exports. Actually American breeding ceased all together in 1910, at least as far as registered Mastiffs were concerned, and all the lines imported over the previous 30 plus years, including very expensive champions and littermates of champions, simply disappeared. The American Mastiff fancy was critically dependent on British dogs, and failed to become self-sustaining. This might not have been so bad a problem except that in the previous years there had been a dramtic decrease in the base stock in Britain. This certainly kick-started the American decline, but what caused the British decline?
The usual suspect is Ch Crown Prince, the sensation of the 1880's, whose life began and ended in controversy. His parentage was disputed between Young Prince, a lightly regarded dog who still is listed as his sire, and The Emperor, a better headed dog, and one with related dogs which carried a chocolate mask. CP himself had the chocolate mask, but the even bigger controversy was, that though he was remarkable for the time for his thickset body and his short, broad head, he was straight in stifle and hock, and generally spindly at the rear. Fifty years later, E G Oliver placed the blame for the Mastiff decline on the unsoundness of CP's offspring. He often quoted W K Taunton, a breeder of that era, on the craze for shorter heads, though Taunton himself had aquired a CP son, Ch Hotspur, who was behind a lot of the champions of later years. The fact is that CP totally dominated the breeding of the late 19th century, and that coincided with the decline. All CP's descendents were not, however, unsound: Marcel's favourite, Beaufort, was a CP grandson. It is my view that a lot of the older breeders discontinued their activities because the public didn't want their mid-19th century style Mastiffs. J Hutching was registering more Mastiffs than anyone else before CP swept the board, but I can't find any dogs of his breeding in the existing pedigrees. Taunton said "the type of his dogs did not meet the views of the breeders of the day". The crisis could have been over sooner, but the breeder who (in a showing sense) dominated the early 20th century, Lt-Colonel Zaccheus Walker, doesn't seem to have ever sold a registered Mastiff, other than one to his brother! I therefore put the decline not on the dogs, but on the people.

As a result of this CP dominance of Mastiff breeding, there were about 30 of his great-grandchildren, alive around the turn of the century, at the back of our modern dogs. You will have a hard time finding any other contempories of these Mastiffs. Crown Prince was truly the father of his breed. However, there were some unregistered Mastiffs who were still cropping up, but no doubt some of them were Crown Prince descendents too. Connie, Countess, Floss, Gyrlie, Kitty Marton, Lady Marton, Lady Argyll, Nell, Princess, The Rebel Queen, Ronda and more, mostly bitches, show that there was a pool of dogs whose offspring could be registered as Mastiffs if their owner wanted to do it. They seem to have just been brood bitches and generally they don't have any surviving descriptions. They may have provided some soundness as the Mastiff breed recovered, but clearly the type we have today comes directly from Crown Prince.

Eating mud and/or pebbles

jmowl — Thur, 19 Nov 2009 01:05:29 GMT

Ok Max keeps eating dirt! And we have pee gravel for landscaping, I know he is eating some, b/c he had an accident and there was some gravel in the poop. I watch him like a hawk, but sometimes my son lets him out cause he is sitting by the door, when this happens he goes straight for the gravel. I was very worried but he passed the gravel, and his appitite hasnt changed. But I mean what do I do? I have read that these guys are "rock eaters", should I take him to the vet? I dont really know how much he has eaten. And now I am freaking myself out!

Australia

SteveOifer — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:19:32 GMT

http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/breeders/mastiff.asp?state=NSW