MASTIFFAUNTIEB
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Since you are in NY look up Tefco! We (our raw food co-op) hire a truck to bring our food from NY. Jerry Briffa from Tefco. JERRY BRIFFA, TEFCO, INC. Brooklyn, New York 718.745.5537
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SassyZena
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I have been feeding my Zac Nutro Puppy for large breeds. I had heard good things about Nutro dog food. And now when I search I'm reading alot of bad things. Has anyone had any problems with this brand? |
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DieselBoy Registered: 06/26/09
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How funny, I just found Raise a Paw for Raw last night but just skimmed through. I will look into it thanks. __________________ Val and Tim
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DieselBoy Registered: 06/26/09
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Thanks Rebecca I will check out that group tonight. I have tried the tripe in the can before. Opening day here for deer is the week before Thanksgiving so now my husband will really be on a mission. __________________ Val and Tim
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Reply with quote | #205 | Sassy... Nutro overall is not a bad food, but their overwhelming amount of recalls (some within the past month) coupled with questionable ingredients makes them a food that I will never recommend. Nutro uses a synthetic form of vitamin K... it's referred to as menadione, menadione sodium bisulfite, menadion bisulfite, or something similar. Rather than type it all up myself...Here is a quick copy and paste from The Dog Food Project in reference to Menadione.
Menadione (Vitamin K3) One of the more obscure ingredients found in many pet foods are menadione derivatives - in the form of menadione sodium bisulfate, menadione sodium bisulfite, menadione dimethylprimidinol sulfate, menadione dimethylprimidinol sulfite or menadione dimethylpyrimidinol bisulfite, often listed as "a source of vitamin K activity" or "vitamin K supplement". Unless otherwise noted, these compounds are summarily referred to as "menadione" in this article to make it easier to read. Watch out: Some manufacturers leave out the "menadione" part of the above chemical names in their ingredient lists (e.g. you see only "dimethylprimidinol sulfate" listed instead of "menadione dimethylprimidinol sulfate"), and menadione does not only occur in dry and canned foods, but edible chew toys, supplements and treats as well. Thoroughly research any item with an ingredient list that claims a "source of vitamin K", "source of vitamin K activity" or "vitamin K" in parentheses and contact the manufacturer if you have any questions. What is it? Menadione, also known as vitamin K3, is a synthetic version of vitamin K. The natural occuring compounds are vitamin K1 (Phylloquinone, from plant sources) and Vitamin K2 (Menaquinone, synthesized by bacteria in the digestive tract and absorbed by the body). Technically menadione isn't even a vitamin, but a precursor that is converted in the body after ingestion. Natural vitamin K is fat soluble, while menadione derivatives (pure menadione can not be processed) are water soluble and bypass the natural pathway of utilization by the body. Why is it added to pet food? Menadione is added as an inexpensive vitamin K supplement in commercial foods. The common statement as to why it is added is "to help with blood clotting", yet it is scientifically proven that the effectivity of menadione on blood clotting is inferior. Even veterinarians will administer vitamin K1 as an antidote to dogs who have for example ingested rat poison, which causes internal bleeding. Manufacturers who use menadione in their products also like to claim that it is "more stable" than natural vitamin K and has "more nutritional value". Not a single one of them has acknowledged the scientifically proven side effects of this substance. It is simple to come to a conclusion about the truth in these statements when you consider that - not all pet food companies add menadione to their foods and dogs have eaten these products for years without developing deficiencies
- the National Research Council was not able to demonstrate a dietary requirement for vitamin K in dogs during tests when natural ingredients were fed and
- fish meals, liver and green plant supplements (e.g. alfalfa, kelp and other seaweed, nettle leaf, blue-green algae, spirulina) are rich sources of natural vitamin K.
Why is it bad? As a non-native speaker (German is my native language), it has been difficult for me to compose this article in English, since I had to translate most of my information from literature originally written in German. My search for relevant, unbiased sources in English was not very successful, with exception of some obscure references and texts that provided some information but do not include all the facts. There were also many articles written by authors who didn't even have the basic knowledge to differentiate between vtiamin K1, K2 and K3. Here is a list of negative effects of menadione on the body. It is incomplete, since my English medical terminology is lacking and I was simply not able to translate the more complicated scientific phrases into proper English: - causes cytotoxicity in liver cells
- causes formation of radicals from enzymes of leucocytes, with the consequence of cytotoxic reactions
- considerably weakens the immune system
- possible mutagenic effects
- damages the natural vitamin K cycle
- has no effect on coumarin derivatives, which are often present in commercial food due to mold contamination (toxic when ingested)
- causes hemolytic anemia and hyperbilirubinemia, not just linked to large doses
- disturbs the level of calcium ions (Ca2+) in the body, which is an important factor fibrinolysis
- is directly toxic in high doses (vomiting, albuminuria), unlike natural vitamin K
- builds up in tissue and has been detected in eggs, meat and milk of animals supplemented with menadione derivatives
- causes irritation of skin and mucous membranes
- causes allergic reactions and eczema
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DieselBoy Registered: 06/26/09
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Yesterday, I gave the dogs their first raw feeding. I was so surprised how well they did. I started out with chicken necks and backs. At first my husband and I held it for the dogs because Diesel just wanted to inhale it. My Miss Prissy boxer ate it like a lady. Diesel did a few chomps but then just swallowed it. I am hoping eventually he will know he can take his time and chew it slowly. I am amazed at how satisfied Diesel looked after eating, I swear he has not looked that way ever. So far so good no vomiting or diaharria. Is it possible it can still happen after 24 hours? Chicken quarters are on sale for .39lb so off to the store. __________________ Val and Tim
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MASTIFFAUNTIEB
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Reply with quote | #207 | don't confuse vomiting with "erping"-haha sometimes they chew (crush bone) and swallow- only to erp it back up and chew more thoroughly and swallow if you start with one protein at a time-they should do fine-minimal diarhea __________________ Bridget |
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I have been feeding Diesel in his crate since we have began his raw diet and was just wondering if you think this could somehow start a resource guarding issue. When he was fed kibble he was in the kitchen with kids bumping into him, things dropping on the floor next to him etc. Should I practice taking away his dish of food as I did to him in the past with his kibble? __________________ Val and Tim
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MASTIFFAUNTIEB
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Reply with quote | #209 | is it just for hygiene reasons? I don't know why it would. are you feeding 2x day? Maybe breakfast in the kitchen/dinner in crate? good question-IDK! mine did growl at me once and I was so shocked! I screamed WTH!!! and smacked his mouth before I even new what happened-that scared him-now I can take half eaten food from his mouth -with my teeth if I wanted! __________________ Bridget |
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Reply with quote | #210 | I feed outside because I can't stand the idea of having those germs in the crate. I'd never feel like I got it clean enough, but I'm a freak about stuff like that. Reyna did start a little bit of resource guarding even outside, but I nipped that in the bud. She now has to wait for her food. She's put in a sit and told to wait, and I lay it down infront of her and when she makes eye contact with me and is no longer fixated on her meal, I release her to eat. It was the simplest change in our feeding regimen, but it worked wonders with her. If you're worried about it, do little things to make him work for his meals and earn them as a reward, not an entitlement.
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Reply with quote | #211 |
Thanks Bridget and Rebecca. He has always worked for his food and still does. I have just never seen him love it so much. __________________ Val and Tim
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Reply with quote | #212 | Hi guys,sorry for being such a pain in the a$$ I just wanna do this the right way. We will be coming up on a week of chicken and all is well. What do you suggest my next protein be? I still should hold off on organs for a while right?
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Reply with quote | #213 | My dog is not a pork eater but, I would go with some pork necks. If I get beef ribs- I like to add ground beef. Wait a few more weeks before you go with lamb. It wouldn't hurt for a slice of liver-next week. Keep it in smaller quantities-if he gets bound or dry poopies-give another slice of liver. __________________ Bridget |
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Reply with quote | #214 | Beef next would be fine. I know a lot of people whose dogs struggle with pork, so I'd wait on that. And I'm leary of the necks because Bam has puked them back up in HUGE chunks before. They are easy to swallow without chewing, but too hard for him to digest. I'm with Bridget in that you could probably start adding a teensy bit of liver in if you want. If you want to do pork, I've found that shoulders are the cheapest, and make for a good meaty, boneless meal. It's really up to you!!! __________________ Rebecca
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Reply with quote | #215 | I've heard that pork is a bad idea...chicken, fish, beef (cow / buffalo), venison, etc. are not...
I'm not an expert on this, though.
PS - We feed one raw meal a week (typically a whole raw chicken) skipping a meal before and a meal after; will try to get that up to 3-5 raw meals a week by Thanksgiving. We will have about 40lbs of tongue/heart/liver sausage for Duke in about a week; possibly some tripe, gullet and trachea, too. :shrug: The freezer just got delivered from NFM on Tuesday, so, we'll be on the lookout for cheap chicken, too.  __________________ "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -- Aristotle
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Reply with quote | #216 | Pork is fine, it's just that some dogs don't do well on it. My two do fine on it and love it--even Bam-Bam whose stomach could never handle a single kibble can tolerate pork. It's typically one of those meats that you want to introduce to an experienced raw stomach, not to a dog that is newly on raw. __________________ Rebecca
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Reply with quote | #217 | Diesel loves Venison. I put a small amount of liver in his bowl as well. Do you feed whole chickens to the dogs? I bought a whole chicken and wondered if I could give him the whole chicken with insides and all or should I cut it up? The chicken is only about 3 pounds. I think Pork will be my next protein. It's probably the most economical.
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Reply with quote | #218 | Bam-Bam eats a whole chicken... He's gross about it though! lol He chews it and flips it around until he's mashed the entire carcass up into a big gooey crushed mess, and then he swallows it. I think whole chickens are great for food and it is a good "recreational" chew too __________________ Rebecca
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Quote: He chews it and flips it around until he's mashed the entire carcass up into a big gooey crushed mess, and then he swallows it. LOL ~That is what Tug does! I thought he did that cuz he wanted the expensive "boneless" chicken! If I ever have to pick it up, it is just mushy and gross. __________________ Bridget |
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maximus_walters
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Reply with quote | #220 |
Has anyone tried authority large breed puppy food? Petsmart has it and the price is very cheap like $26 for a 30 lb bag. |
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